The transient community Tishman Speyer has created at Stuyvesant Town is making quite a mess! Seemingly no longer interested in long-term tenants, Stuyvesant Town's high turnover rate has left the already disheveled looking complex looking like a poverty stricken pig pen.Tishman Speyer's response to the garish garbage? Blame and punish the tenants, naturally. Rather than take care of their property Tish-Spey is now placing the burden of trash removal on the residents. Stuy Town's inept management team is hard at work covering the buildings with with classy looking orange stickers which read "No furniture dumping violators will be prosecuted." (At least there's no typos!)
But what to do with your old furniture? Leave it outside your building? Stash it near a NTT Services storage unit? It's anyone's guess since management has yet to instruct tenants as to what the procedure is to dispose of old furniture. Business as usual.
'Prosecuted'? Can anyone tell me what the hell the charge would be? 'Prosecuted' implies a criminal charge and is, therefore, subject to the criminal courts. They could argue a fire hazard, but that would be a charge for the city against TS, not TS against the tenant. Illegal dumping? But even that would mean ST would need to be legally declared a 'no illegal dumping zone', which, to my knowledge, it is not.
Who the hell vets these signs?!?!?!
The charge? Being criminally lazy and staying here.
Well, how about using the old furniture as kindling wood to help warm the apartments during those many days when there's no heat? Oh, wait....cheap Ikea plastic shit probably doesn't burn, just melts into a toxic mess. Never mind.
Take a saw to it. Then it's no longer furniture, it's firewood.
Seriously tho, just leave it outside the building door. Or drag it to the marginal islands and abandon it there, then it's the city's problem. This place will look reeeal nice.... soon.
Or drag it out front of the leasing office and keep those fuckers in and keep potential victims out!
I had a lengthy conversation the other day with a victim separated from his tour group of the model apartment. He asked me how I liked living here. Ten minutes later he was speechless. He walked towards first ave and threw his ST propaganda folder in the trash lol.
Overheard at the management office:
"We need a word here -- 'Violators will be something something.'"
"Spanked?"
"Let's ask the gangstas bellowing profanities on the First Ave Loop basketball courts if they have any ideas."
"Can someone drive us over there?"
"Forget it. I'm just going to put 'violated.'"
"Makes sense."
I threw a big piece of furniture out. No knock on the door yet. Should I be afraid? A neighbor suggested I cover the cameras first.
Sweating it in ST
They will not knock. They will simply break down your door and enter with overwhelming force.
Think SWAT with a battering ram
By the way , are you related to the Yeti and are the forces of evil, I mean, TS still hunting him?
Yetailluminati abbreviated.
They will do it at 4 in the morning and will have dogs and guns.
What am I to do? What am I supposed to do with furniture that even the Salvation Army wouldn't want. Oh dear mercy me! I have a kitchen chair that rocks and is not safe to sit on!!!!!!!!!!! It is 40 years old. If I knew I'd be in this situation I would have never bought it. We could've eaten on the floor. We didn't know!!!!!
Really Worried Now
You will have to break it up into small pieces and put them all down the garbage chute. You could drop some of it out of the window late at night. I have a table to get rid of and I'm going to put it out one leg at a time (sailing out the window on a moonless night) and the top will have to be sawn into quarters and snuck downstairs in big black garbage bags. Think of how easy it would be to get rid of a body in comparison.
I know my Daddy is rolling in his Arlington grave over what the landlord is putting his "little girl" through. He should be able to rest in peace. Dontcha think?
Black garbage bags is a good idea I guess. But still.
Where does the Dept. of Sanitation figure in this? Are they not allowed on this private property?
Should we call 311 for details?
Confused
I saw a Dept. of Sanitation street sweeper cleaning the Avenue C loop this past Tuesday. It's the first time I've seen this happen since Rose threw DS out and they bought that stupid, annoyingly loud street sweeper (since replaced by an even bigger one).
ST has flip flopped over this issue for the last 6 or 7 years now, claiming some sort of "insurance issue" for telling the DS they couldn't street sweep, yet they continued to let DS do trash pickups on the loop roads. DS still to this day picks up the recyclables, and the dumpsters.
I would call the TA and see what their take is on the legality of prohibiting household furniture disposal.
Answering my own post.
The NYC Department of Sanitation website will tell you what day trash and recycling (including furniture) is picked up at the curb. They tell you to put it out the night before. Just plug your building addy into the form on this webpage:
http://gis.nyc.gov/gisapp/sn/sanitation.jsp
So it's theoretically possible that your landlord could refuse to cart it from the building to the curb, but they can't stop you from discarding it, and can't float the private property argument since they let DS do curbside pickups (even of dumpsters). Seems kind of stupid since they put it all into their own dumpster anyhow....
Bunch of brain surgeons these guys are...
Just dump it where you've always dumped it and fuck 'em! I stopped recycling ages ago because I can't stand going down to that nasty recycling area any more tan I absolutely have to. I only put aside glass because that could harm the employees, but everything else goes down the shoot and if I have to dispose of anything bulky - and I don't care whether it's a cardboard box or a grand piano - it goes in the recycling area. Treat TS with the same contempt that they treat us. There's no good will involved with this scumbag landlord. I try to be considerate of the people they employ to clean up after us, but beyond that - fuck 'em to hell.
Here's some more reference points:
http://www.housingnyc.com/html/resources/hmc/sub2/art5.html
And here's the kicker that says that under the HOUSING MAINTENANCE CODE published by the RGB, they must provide janitorial services which include the removal of all waste.
http://www.housingnyc.com/html/resources/hmc/sub2/art13.html
I would venture that someone experienced in housing law and precedent would need to weigh in on the fine points.
From DSNY website:
Refuse: Monday Wednesday Friday
Recycling: Wednesday
Place refuse and recyclables at the curb the night before your collection day.
So what is furniture then? Oh it will look so much more pretty around here!!!!!!!!!
But seriously, is furniture "refuse?" I thought refuse is the stuff that they put the fly strips up for because of the kids chinese food cartons.
Nobody on TS staff seems to know. And there is a bold orange sign implying that I'll be prosecuted to the full extent of something.
Speaking of frat-kids: I need to take a sleeping pill now; it is Friday after all, and all five of them next door with their five sets of friends are entertaining in their 14x8' living room again.
Do I have to drug myself to live here? Is there somewhere I can complain? Or am I an old cranky fart?
Depressed as all hell
"I try to be considerate of the people they employ..."
Yeah, but NOT considerate of the environment NOR the laws of New York CIty. Ya know, much as I despise TS, this is not your own personal world. Rather than bragging about what a bold REBEL you are (by not recycling?? Pathetic!!) try actually DOING something. Since you're not recycling, that leaves you a bit more time to do so.
"I try to be considerate of the people they employ to clean up after us..."
Actually, you're causing them MORE work by dumping "everything down the chute," as you bragged, since maintenance is then forced to spend additional time separating your shit for you. Contrary to your post, it's not very "considerate" of "the people they employ."
I've been recycling my trash faithfully, until today, until I saw one of the janitors throwing huge bagful of cans and glass stuff into a dumpster on Avenue C Loop.
Hey, what's the point when they just dump those recyclables at landfill?? I even don't know if it's legal for TS to do that. They are dumping recyclables, furniture, chopped tree branches, EVERYTHING into that dumpster. They really don't care...
I thought there are dumpsters specifically for recyclables? Maybe that's one of them, especially if you saw them tossing cans and glass into it.
Anyway, even if they're doing the wrong thing, that's no excuse for the rest of us to follow suit and neglect proper recycling rules.
They don't sort the shit that goes down the chute. I asked them. It makes their job easier if they don't have to deal with the recycling. Spare me the self-righteous sermons. If you think the city actually recycles, I've got a bridge to sell you.
That's not true. In my building, the workers are constantly picking shit out of the garbage chute that gets stuck in there by those who repeatedly ignore the recycling rules, such as yourself. More than one worker has bitched to me about this. Management is then forced to put notices under our doors informing us about what happened, and reminding us about the recycling rules. For good reason.
Actually the city does send the recyclables to different facilities. Bloomberg stopped recycling a few years ago to save money, but it actually wound up costing the city more to haul the garbage.
The employees shouldn't have to sort anything that goes down the chute - because it should be garbage only. It dangerous for them to pick through it.
If you have ever visited a dump you would understand the importance of recycling.
"If you think the city actually recycles, I've got a bridge to sell you."
Oh, please. That's just what you tell yourself so you can continue behaving like a pig.
It's hilarious the way the same two people always pop up one after the other! Like watching kids on a seesaw - up pops Frick then up pops Frack! LOL!
http://www.nrdc.org/cities/recycling/gnyc.asp
In 1989, New York City launched one of the nation's most ambitious recycling programs. Over the next decade, the program expanded to include every city neighborhood and added new items, such as junk mail and household metal, to its collection list. By 2002, the city was recycling roughly 20 percent of its waste, up from less than 1 percent when the program began. That same year, though, confronted with a severe budget crisis, the Bloomberg administration suspended glass and plastic recycling collections, claiming this action would save the city $40 million over fiscal year 2003.
In response, NRDC and other environmental groups joined forces to prove that recycling is cost-effective -- and, just one year later, New York City was on course to fully restore its recycling program. The turnaround began when the city found that it had saved a mere fraction of the projected $40 million. At the same time, new private-sector interest in the recycling program was growing, with one company offering to pay the city $5.10 per ton for its metal and plastic recyclables.
By recycling, New Yorkers can help save money on the city's staggering trash bill and ensure that the recycling program continues to expand. Improvements such as better public education and more streamlined collection practices will also make the program an even bigger money-maker.
Yeah it's fucking hilarious how some people have actual friends in real life that actually talk to each other. Girl and I will happy to meet you if you need to know. Besides Lux has already stated twice that he knows that we are not the same person, and that knowledge is NOT based on knowing our IP addresses.
Frick and Frack meet Caroline/Beulah/Rosie. I'm game.
Well, Beulah/Rosie/Caroline/Wilbur the pig.....just because we call you on your shit doesn't mean we're one and the same -- it's just that great minds think alike.
Watch out, the duchess, next she's going to accuse you of being "us" too!
Thanks for posting that informative link, Loathemyspace.
I think Satan's Own is really Edna Doodle when Edna goes off her meds ;)
I didn't say you were the same person. I said when one pops up the other follows. You seem to work in concert with each other. I guess there's safety in numbers! Anyway, I'm off to work. Some of us actually work for a living. Have a nice day, ladies - and I use the word "ladies" very loosely in this case.
Have a great day at work, Nurse Ratched!
yah have fun at the airport.
Damn Girl - you owe me a beer! 1:41 !
FYI, I'm not a nurse and I don't work at an airport. Wierd ideas you gals have. My husband is a nurse so I guess you're close, though no cigar. Airport? That would be Manny at American Leisure!
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. ; )
Well then, super size me!
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What would the net be if not for sockpuppets ??
A word of advice concerning recycling: be sure to tear off the name and address labels from catalogs as well as the order form from inside the catalog. Someone I know started receiving all kinds of bills from various catalog retailers because their name, address and those identifying customer codes the catalogs have had been used by identity thieves. It took her a long time to get everything straightened out. The thieves were ordering merchandise and having it shipped to various addresses, but using the billing address on the catalog and opening up charge cards with that! Don't leave your name and address on anything you put in the recycling bins. Dumpster divers are alive and well in our community!
So that's how Nick gets those Layne Bryant fashions.
Speaking of Nick, he recently posted again on the blog where he threatened to hunt LL . In that post he shows pictures of "idyllic" ST and says he will be around the Oval every evening. I wonder how much he is being paid by Bud Perrone for this propaganda work.
In that same post Nick became the self-appointed spokescreep for ST residents and thanked the grounds crew for their time, work and dedication in restoring the Oval to its glorious bloom. Glorious bloom? LOL How dare Nick speak on anyone's behalf? She is a delusional, illiterate moron.
Our porter says the company that used to maintain the garbage compactors was replaced by Lance Cohen with mob controlled one from out of state. That's why our garbage had to be left in the hall for 3 days and my building stinks. Nice move slick!
There's a new compactor company from Hackensack brought in by Lance Cohen that's awful according to our porters. They tell us they don't know the equipment and so the compactors are always acting up. Now garbage is being brought down by hand. Just what we needed - the stink of garbage in the summer!
That sounds about right for Tishman Speyer! I'm sure Lancey Boy is getting his kickback. Where's Ghouliani when we need him! Unlike Bloomberg, who takes care of his pals (e.g. Speyers) Ghouliani went after mob-connected outfits. If nothing else, that was one good thing he did.
Am I the only one who saw Tishman's posted sign about the FURNITURE REMOVAL SERVICE they offer....for a FEE?!
This "No Furniture Dumping, Violators Will be Prosecuted" crap is about picking tenants' pockets and lining Tishman's pockets!!!
Granted, the sign was up in the recent past and is no longer up - at least in my building - but Tishman needs to wake-up and smell the coffee...TENANTS AREN'T GONNA PAY FOR A SERVICE THEY'VE ALWAYS RECEIVED FOR FREE !!! It's called a "reduction in services" O Brilliant Landlord and if you don't cut the crap out, tenants are gonna go to DHCR and request a reduction in their rent because you have reduced services. Got it?!
So, if you're looking to charge money to remove furniture or to reduce your disposal costs by banning the dumping of furniture...FORGET IT!!! Tenants will continue to dump furniture just like they always have. And I might add that it's the never ending stream of transient tenants who are doing most of the dumping, from what I have observed.
I emailed them a couple of weeks ago to inquire as to how to go about getting a heavy piece of furniture moved and asked them what their fees were. Of course, I haven't heard back. I'll probably have to get a couple of friends to come round and help me move it - and it will be put either in the recycling area or out on the curb. Because it's such a majorly heavy thing and very bulky I was willing to pay for a couple of burly guys to do it, but I just haven't heard anything back from TS. Back in the day, we could call the Service Department and request that they post a note in the maintenance department and someone would call you and quote a price for doing whatever job you wanted done. They did good work and liked to be paid in cash, so it worked out well for both parties.